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  • Anthony Buckley
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    Hi Ilona, Mark and Tony.

    Thank you so much for your answers. Now I have some good options to work.

    Bianca

    Anthony Buckley
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    Dear Mark and Anthony,

    Thank you for your helpful responses.

    Kind regards,
    Ilona Mishchenko

     

     

    Anthony Buckley
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    Dear Ilona,

    Ireland is physically separated from the rest of the EU, and besides which, it has several VAT rates. However, it uses Postponed VAT Accounting (PVA), which simplifies import VAT arrangements.  For physical imports, it may not be the most ideal place to set up a company for the purposes of dealing with the rest of the EU.

    I would also be inclined to look at Belgium or France because they have more beneficial VAT rates and they also use Postponed VAT Accounting (PVA) for their imports. The VAT Rate for France is 20%, while Belgium and the Netherlands have a main VAT Rate of 21%. The added advantage with Belgium is that it has a very efficient port system as well as efficient import controls. Furthermore, given that the Netherlands has a very efficient port and import system through the port of Rotterdam, this can be used very easily for imports into the EU, especially using the Article 42 facility to facilitate zero-rated Import VAT on consignments heading into the rest of the EU.

    The Dutch Revenue website at http://www.belastingdienst.nl is easy to use, and this will help any trader wishing to establish a company in the Netherlands. Like Tony, I would be willing to assist in such matters, and in any case I speak fluent Portuguese, as my wife is Brazilian, and I know Brazil very well.

    I hope this helps.

    Mark

    Anthony Buckley
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    Dear Ilona

    I have already advised several clients on establishment in the EU, especially Ireland/Northern Ireland, and would be very happy to talk to Bianca.  As Monika has said, Lithuania is an option, and of course she would be perfectly placed to advise on that.

    Tony

    Anthony Buckley
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    Dear Members,

    I’ve received a request from our member Bianca Borghezan.

    She works as a consultant for companies in Brasil and supports them to import and export.

    Bianca’s client wants to know what is the best place in Europe to open a company. She considers Ireland to be a good place, but she does not know what the taxes are, what the obligations are, etc.

    This company is a distributor of solar panels in Brazil and it already has clients in Europe, that is why it is planning to open a company in the EU to support these clients.

    Can anybody support Bianca with these infos?

    Thank you inadvance.

    Best regards,
    Ilona Mishchenko,
    CKC Administrator

    Anthony Buckley
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    Thank you Tony, your thoughts on this matter are very much appreciated.

    It’s going along the lines of one of thought, so it’s nice to know I wasn’t too far off the mark on this one, and the specific coding advice is really useful.

    Returns is an issue, as you quite rightly pointed out, given the EU and UK consumer distance selling regulations. This is an area that is the real ‘achilles heel’ of online selling, which I know only too well as an ex retailer myself,  especially for smaller retailers who don’t have great deals struck with the major parcel carriers in exchange for huge volume guarantees. There is no legal obligation to pay for returns of course, unless that is it’s stated in the terms of sale, but nowadays unless free returns are offered, especially for clothing and footwear, sales will be majorly impacted. Many online sellers have created themselves a ‘beast’ they cannot really afford in an attempt to get consumers across to buying online, but of course now they can’t stop what is seen as a given. Even for the large online retailers, return distribution costs are only part of the cost factor, with checking and restocking  quickly to resell at maximum margin prior to early season sales being another cost factor, that is even if they put the returns back into stock. Some sell to the likes of TK Max, or strip out labels and sell to wholesalers, and as you quite rightly point out, some retailers will even refund without requesting return of low value items – thank you Amazon!  Given my Swedish client is selling expensive ski wear however, the option of using a UK third party to group returns to be sent in bulk is a sensible option, this time using Returned Goods Relief.

    Taking all into account, it really does make the option of importing direct from China into the UK a sensible option to consider, with returns sent back to the UK warehouse for UK resale. This would require the use of Transit and Customs Warehousing upon import and UK stocking, not only to improve cash-flow, but to enable stock to be transferred to the EU should it be required, without ‘double duties’ being payable. Perhaps this is a good example where you have to question the value of too greater regional centralisation. For the ‘eagle eyed’ the issue of stock control within a Customs Warehouse will however be key, otherwise issues could arise where returned goods, which have entered UK ‘free circulation’, are mixed with goods that have remained in the Customs Warehouse since import from China.

    Happy to stand corrected on any of these points, as that is exactly what this forum is all about; creating discussion where people are not afraid to put their views across, even if their interpretation or recall of a situation or a solution might not be quite right, or perhaps only one of the solutions available. We must all be willing to stand corrected, otherwise how else will we stand any chance of learning as much as we need to learn?

    Dale

    Anthony Buckley
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    Dale

    I am sorry for the long delay replying to your scenario.  As it happens, I have some experience of a similar problem.  The only approach I know of is to seek to avoid paying EU duty.  UK duty will always be payable.

    The legal and administrative procedure that appears best, assuming that the Swedish company does not know in advance which of the imported products will ultimately be sold in the UK, is:

    • Swedish company imports the goods into a Customs warehouse using procedure 7100.
    • Shipments for the EU market are discharged from the warehouse with import declaration procedure 4071.
    • Shipments for the UK are discharged with export declaration 3171.
    • Import to the UK is a standard procedure 1000.  Duty is payable for origin China.  In the unlikely event that HMRC questions non-preferential origin, evidence of discharge from warehouse and/or re-export from Sweden should be available.

    If the process of warehousing is not judged worthwhile or practical for operational reasons, the only other option I am aware of would be to tranship the goods out of temporary storage.  While this is legally possible, the organisation of it may be difficult, as goods would need to be sorted and redirected in a temporary storage facility.  Warehousing gives more flexibility.

    Finally, there is the problem of returned goods.  These are most easily handled by establishing (perhaps by contract) a handler in the UK that could group such goods and send them either to the Swedish company or to the Chinese seller as appropriate.  I am aware that some online platforms are now prepared to give refunds without requiring the return of low value items.

    Hope this helps.

    Tony

    Anthony Buckley
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    I have yet not received any thoughts from others, other than Mark Rowbotham who kindly gave me direction prior to publishing on CKI as suggested by others.Perhaps the case study I requested views on was poorly explained. I have re-issued this case study, removing the options as I see it, hopefully to suitably declutter the question.

    I think raising in-market current case studies among members, gaining thoughts from all, be they correct or not, would be a great way for CKI leaders and members to gain greater understanding of how customs issues are impacting business right now. As is the case when you get trade associations and specialists together, dare I say there is much discussion about big political subjects and ‘blue-sky’ thinking, but not enough solving of the issues of the day that will help members help businesses right now. I hope CKI does not go such a path.

    Scenario:

    A Swedish company imports finished products from China straight into free circulation. The Swedish company sells the products direct to consumers across the EU as well as in the UK, with the UK sales terms including DDP. The Swedish company wishes to reduce their customs duty and VAT exposure when selling into the UK through whatever means is necessary. What are all of their options?

    Thank you.

    Anthony Buckley
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    Here is a request from Dale Fletsher.
    Please share your thoughts in the comments.

    IMPORT DUTY REDUCTION THOUGHTS PLEASE.

    “A Swedish company has goods manufactured in China. The goods enter Sweden directly into free circulation in Sweden/EU, with no Customs Special Procedures being used. They currently add no value to the goods in Sweden/EU and have no desire to do so. The Swedish company sells the goods in the EU to retailers and direct to consumers, as well as direct to consumers in the UK through digital distance selling. These orders are fulfilled individually using Incoterms 2020 Delivered Duty Paid (DDP). The Swedish company now wishes to avoid the high costs involved in selling direct to consumers in the UK in this way, in particular the high accumulated import duty.

    With all options up for consideration, your thoughts on the following options, and any others you may have, would be very much appreciated. My apologies to those I have already posed this question to, but it was suggested to me that a wider consensus on the matter could potentially be gained on this CKI forum. 1. Using ‘Transit’ and ‘Customs Warehousing’ Customs Special Procedures (CSP) from the point of entry into the EU, with delivery into a UK based 3PL e-commerce fulfilment house as long as Indirect Representation was in place in the form of Fiscal Representation. Alternatively, a sister company could be used in this way, or an independent organisation such as a distributor or a retailer. 2. Sell the goods to an independent UK company, with no legal or financial connection to the Swedish company either direct from the EU, accepting an EU and a UK import duty will be payable where CSP are not used. In this way the Valuation will be based upon the sale price to the independent company at the point of entry into the UK, not the sale price to the end consumer. 3. Order the goods in parts and assemble them in Sweden, changing their commodity code, thus claiming EU origin, which having previously checked the EU / UK Trade Agreement, may qualify the goods for zero import tariffs into the UK”.

    Thank you!

    Anthony Buckley
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    Dear members,

    This topic has been created for the discussion of complex or controversial cases that you face in practice.
    You are encouraged to ask questions and share your knowledge, experience, advice and solutions.

    Kind regards,
    Ilona Mishchenko
    CKI Administrator

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